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Unsure about gestation...

Breeding
By kitty got claws18
from the Breeding and pregnancy... department, Section Diaries
Posted on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 08:45:36 PM PST
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I'm not sure exactly how long my females should be pregnant before they drop the fry. and yes i did look in the immediate help section.



Ok I'm not quite sure how long these females have been pregnant because they keep eating the fry before i get to see them, but i know they are pregnant now, theyre huge! But it seems they have been pregnant forever and a year. I just want to be able to bredd my guppies and finally get to see the babies already! What should i do?
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Re: Unsure about gestation... (none / 0) (#2)
by kitty got claws18 on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 11:15:32 AM PST

Yeah just wanted to also make the point that i have decided to for a little while set up a little tank on the side to try to separate the females from the males so that they don't get too overcrowded, the only problem i have is that the smaller tank only had an underground filtration system that doesnt really do much at all for guppies, and i am limited on money at the moment and have no heating systems for my tanks. I cannot really cycle my tanks right now either because i have run out of water softener stuff that gets rid of the harmful materials in tap water. So right now im in a bit of a fix because i can't really properly care for my fish until my next check, which of course doesn't come until after the surgery im going to have next monday august 18th so my fish might be in a little trouble... I hope i don't end up killing them because i can't care for them properly at this time... >~<



.So the only fish in your aquarium are (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 10:28:13 PM PST

the guppies? I myself have been astonished to discover that certain seemingly innocent fish were responsible for the demise of a lot of fry.

Watch the females carefully. One will suddenly slim down. They shouldn't be really skinny. Emaciation is a sign of trouble and I'm glad that isn't something you have encountered.

28-30 days is usually the gestation period. Warmer temperatures can speed it up by a day. Crowding, stress, cooler temperatures (and who knows? sun spots, crop circles, the Cubs winning a world series...) can delay the dropping. A Guppylog correspondent even mentioned that an isolated female guppy had slimmed out when there was little evidence of cannibalism. That does seem to happen to guppies and a lot of other creatures. A recently read book on North American habitats noted a number of cases and species (mostly mammalian) where if food (vegetable forage or prey) was not plentiful, then fetuses were reabsorbed. That has been known to happen with humans even.

I don't think that is the case with all of your female guppies. But the more I learn about fish, more more I realize that there is still a lot not known. Sometimes we don't even know the questions yet. :)

Though a female guppy can be trained to cannibalism (often before we even get them) by insufficient feeding, there are other species that will even more enthusiastically eat guppy fry. The first consideration is that "'if a fish can fit into the mouth of another, it will.

You may have seen New Guppy Momma pondering how many dwarf gouramis (and maybe small angelfish) she could stuff in her "Beast" (of 75-gallons). That is a pretty sophisticated balancing act. But it is not too long after we celebrate the effective saving of fry that we worry about too many.

Thank you for plowing through Immediate Help or at least a lot of it. Maybe you saw that little thing on the Better Guppy Trap. The idea is to meet each fish's needs without intruding upon those of another. So we leave very desirable food for the momma and she leaves the fry alone.

With guppy and other livebearer aquaria and even many many killifish tanks, there are several variables, which will yield more youngsters. I'm sure that the list is not complete. Anyone else is more than welcome to add more helpful factors or elaborate upon a point.

more shelter, especially plants
more frequent water changes or an increased % in each change
better seasoned and treated changing water
(sometimes) a lower mineral level in the water
(less often) a greater mineral content for desert, brackish, marine and inland fishes
more frequent feedings, maybe of less food per feeding
more variety in diet (even if just flakes)
more meaty content to feeding
live food (like Daphnia) swimming around the tank
a very modest adult population of killies in the aquarium
larger aquariums - more space per adult and fry
temperatures in the lower part of their comfortable range
only one species in there
no charming but egg-eating catfish - especially look at the size of the mouth (What a big mouth you have Grandma!") and the eyes. Large eyes = a night feeder.

I am really pleased that your nine guppies have seemingly thrived in your new 10-gallon. I wonder if that is about 6 or 7 too many though. I would guess that you have been careful and have conservatively not fed a whole lot. That makes great sense from the standpoint of allowing the nitrogen cycle to develop. But it is at cross purposes with feeding the females until they can eat no more and will leave the fry alone. If your aquarium has been set up for a short period of time, say under a month and a half, that cycle needs to finish.

And - sigh - the fry get eaten. :(

There will be a time when you will be, ahem, swimming in fry.

Our society (where we expect to see a mystifying crime solved within an hour - and that includes 17 minutes of commercials) doesn't train us in patience and deferred gratification. I'm party to that and love being spoiled by Google when looking for information. (It is not as pleasant when the dog and I stand in front of the microwave and scream, "Faster!.")



How big is the little tank? (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 10:49:31 AM PST

Female guppies weigh (bulk) more than the males, though they aren't as vulnerable to bacterial attacks is water which has gotten a little too dirty. If the little tank was a 5.5-gallon, it might be better to put the males in there. Females, on hot summer days, are more vulnerable to suffocation than either males or youngsters.

Under-gravel filters, if properly maintained, are about the most efficient used. Big public aquariums and even municipal water providers/ waste-water "recoverers" use giant versions of ug filters.

Part of the trick is to gravel-vacuum maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of the tank every week or two or three. I understand that picking up a gravel vacuum may not be an option just now. (Dear Santa...) They probably would never do this but manufacturers of ug filters should package them with a gravel vacuum or at least offer a discount coupon on a gravel vacuum.

It is messy, but one can "sort of" stir a little gravel with a siphon tube and take that cloud of gunk out of the tank. Guppygirl, a Guppylog member, took a siphon tube and a household item (like the tube of a turkey baster who bulb has worn out) and assembled her own mini-vac for small tanks.

If we aren't able to keep the underside of a ug filter clean, we need to set an annual date to tear down the entire aquarium and start over. Otherwise, an often fatal "burp" will happen as the increasingly acid, very dirty mulm under that filter plate will launch into the tank and even wipe everything out.

Sometimes it is also hard to raised rooted plants with ug filters. Either the plants don't get enough nutrients or the under gravel layer is so polluted and increasingly acid, that the roots don't grow well.

Depending upon who one talks to, undergravel filters are either the very best or the worst of aquarium filters.

By the way, for most of the early years of the American aquarium hobby (1850 to after World War Two) there was very little interest in using aquarium filters. Plastic box filters didn't even come along until the 1930s. But earlier aquarists were pretty interested in aeration by water movement. Victorian fountains and all sorts of other arrangements were tried. Careful feeding, modest population densities, faithful partial water changes with gravel vacuuming and pretty good aeration (which also allows an aquarium heater to be efficient and less dangerous) can be a pretty good work-around having filters.

Stealing from David Boruchowitz, in a very real sense the whole aquarium becomes the biofilter. Some have motors and some don't. ;)

I think you are wise to not try and save fry if you are pressed for space. That is very hard for a lot of us to do. You may bet a couple hardy/lucky/clever/fast survivors anyway. Sometimes we do save too many fry and are then plagued by disease outbreaks or stunted youngsters.

As you probably know, each female is usually "good" for as many as six batches of fry (until next Feb or march) even if they never mate again in the meantime. Evidently that figure varies some. I was astonished to read in one book where they suggested a female could produce as many as 10 batches of fry! I would guess numbers would be less after a while. That also would be a pretty old female guppy!

Don't know if you will have more comments on this thread. If you do, why not post them after this comment. Then those looking on (or answering) can more conveniently follow the flow of the conversation.

Thanks and all the best! :)

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Re: How big is the little tank? (none / 0) (#4)
by kitty got claws18 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 04:53:52 PM PST

Well see, i can't do anything with my tanks or fish for a while because just today i had nasal surgery and im hurtin really bad i still cant believe im sitting at this dang computer right now instead of changing my nose dressing >~< i just hope my fish are ok by the time i recover and can switch up my tanks a bit . . .

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Wow! Been there, done the dressing. (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:33:07 AM PST

I'm sure that the post op time is still a very uncomfortable interval. And that is in hot weather too! Hope you heal quickly and that the results are satisfying and beautiful.

The guppies will keep. :)

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Re: Wow! Been there, done the dressing. (none / 0) (#6)
by kitty got claws18 on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 02:37:14 AM PST

Well, of course knowing my stubbourn self, I'm sitting here at 5:36 am putting my females in the tank with the filter and the males in the samller tank without a filter. . . and im tired as heck and irritable, and again, on this dang computer . . . >~< will i ever learn?

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Ah..... Another sign of a true fish head. ;) (none / 0) (#7)
by unclescott on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:44:33 AM PST

When you wait in line at a restaurant and wonder if any of those plants could be run out of an aquarium, wonder what items in a kitchen section of a grocery would be useful with the fish or wander through a department with glass or plastic items would make a good worm feeder, then you have it even worse. My car brakes for fish shops. ;)

You are up and about much sooner than I was (several million years ago) after they tried to re-assemble my nose, following a colossal collision playing third base in a softball league. (That was in the days before the "slide rule").

Pace yourself. I imagine, even with much newer medical technology, one still needs to take it easy after a procedure. If you couldn't sleep, sometimes useful activity will be more beneficial in the long run (says the bozo who was working on s fish club meeting program at 4 AM).

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Re: Ah..... Another sign of a true fish head. ;) (none / 0) (#8)
by kitty got claws18 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:42:06 PM PST

Guess what everyone!!! THREE NEW BABIES!!! This is the first time any of my babies has survived! I've made it into the breeders group now! YAY ME! I wasn't sure if I'd be able to do it but I did it! I'm so excited! They're so small I almost missed them when I went to clean my tank. But now I have little black bugs or something crawling on the sides of my tank even after cleaning it I have no clue what those are. . .

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